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Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:31:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hello everyone! we've got another F&I balance thread for you all, covering tentative plans for missiles in the Winter expansion plus a hurricane fittings nerf that doesn't really need it's own thread.
Ahemm... CCP. Why can't you actually improve one area of your game without screwing up another? Seems possible to me... Right now it looks like every new "improvement' is actually a Dev team meddling with next year's battle strategies of the game.
Devs breaking the mechanics of one fleet strategy by changing one ship, while adjusting another ship is mere meddling. EVE will be balanced when there are multiple "favorites" fleet doctrines.
All the turret based ships can shout "yay, down with the Drake" but that merely gives turret pilots the upper-hand at the expense of missile pilots. Fact is your missile nerfs are unnecessary at best. And stinks of gamer politics at worst.
Regards, Isaiah Harms
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Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:41:00 -
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Proposition:
Do not nerf Drake DPS (it already sucks). Do not nerf Hurricane powergrid.
If you destroy the battlecruisers to fix cruiser aren't you just making more work (and grief) for everyone down the road?
Oh... and whoever reading this:
IF YOU SUCK SO MUCH THAT YOU ARE STILL AFRAID OF DRAKES... go play Wow.
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Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:58:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: The upshot is that fitting a full rack of 720s with a MWD and LSE and full mids and lows will require a RCUII and either an ACR or PG implant.
Fitting a full rack of 720's already requires a PG implant or ACR. Moron.
CCP Fozzie wrote: Also fitting a standard shield autocane with neuts and LSE will require dropping a few guns down to 220mm.
Oh yes... because pro pvp'ers fit mixed gun sizes all the time. Thanks for the tip, ya big moron!
Proposition. CCP Fozzie to be removed from this team.
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Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Isaiah Harms wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: The upshot is that fitting a full rack of 720s with a MWD and LSE and full mids and lows will require a RCUII and either an ACR or PG implant.
Fitting a full rack of 720's already requires a PG implant or ACR. Moron. Their PG is getting reduced. Perhaps you should read these things before acting like a fool.
Dear sir.. small details do not escape me.
Aren't RCU II's what we have to fit on cruisers to make them work? Now we gotta go do that with hurricanes? The shame!
You think this is a good idea? Go try to fit an armor tank to the nerfed Hurricane. The thing already has the lightest tank of all the Tier 2 battlecruisers.. now it'll be on par with a cruiser. \0/
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Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:55:00 -
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Tragedy wrote:Awesome. HMLs need a nerf in a bad way. They do too much damage at too far of a range. I hope tracking comps wont be able to put them right back to where they were in range with just 1 comp though. NERF THEM MOAR!!!
Oh dear me.. 25-30km is just too much! (gasp).
Remind me to whine about an Autocannon Tornado hitting very nicely at 70km.
Seriously.. this forum is populated by nut jobs who don't actually play the game. Why does CCP listen to them? |
Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:08:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
We're going to be changing the hurricane at the same time
Oh yeah you're changing it. What you didn't tell everyone is the Hurricane with a typical 1600mm plate can only fit 5 180mm autocannons. P.S. That's with a 5% powergrid implant.
Kind of pathetic. Oh... and very sneaky of you CCP. What's the deal? Don't like the Whelp Cane? Have to save your precious supercapital friends at the demise of every other player in-game?
Can we just eliminate Minmatar and Caldari from the game. I'd like those skillpoints back.
TY. |
Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:12:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Do not forget that missile boats are able to specifically pick the damage type they do. Outside of drones, no other weapon system has that luxury.
Uh... Ever looked at Projectile ammo? Guess not. Go do it now. |
Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:25:00 -
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Neuntausend wrote:everyone whining and bitching that the drake will be useless now needs to think out of his tiny little box here.
for damage: fit hams -> 600 or 700 something dps -> comparable to other bcs -> drake still works for range: add a third bcu and a te and sacrifice a little tank like all the other battlecruisers do -> drake still works
same goes for the tengu. or basically any ship using hml.
Ummm.. You barely understand concepts such as falloff for turrets... yet you think you have the understanding to discuss missile explosion velocity and explosion radius like a pro.
Since you don't understand them.. go get your Drake and find a dual prop Cynabal and enjoy shooting at it until it kills you. |
Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.20 01:22:00 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:As some one else posted I have a feeling these changes will merely bring a new age of "Amarr supremacy". *Shrugs* It's CCP's game and they can make what ever changes they wish.
It seems that after this my armor canes will be rather borked, so I'll just have to trade them in for harby's when I can be arsed to do it. (though they are fugly in comparison to the cane even after the v3 nerf to their looks) I just find it funny that they are getting gutted due to a fit setup I never favored.
So I guess my feed back is this, I think the PG nerf on the cane for an armor tanker might be extreme, but if other fits are causing problems because of it so be it. You can't keep everyone happy all the time. And if my faded frown means 3 other people smile then that is what you should do.
As for the HML changes, by all means go full speed ahead. Misery loves company after all.
Yes CCP. Muck the game up more. "Try" to redefine the sandbox for all the noobs who don't understand that "sandbox" means YOU affect YOUR game not "I get my favorite Dev to affect the entire sandbox for me."
Sure.. Make Amarr and Gallente great. I got those skills too. The crybabies will still being crying no matter how you adjust the game.. Of course the greatness of this game will be tarnished until someone with sense fixes all of CCP Fozzies mistakes.
Hey! Another reason to patch! |
Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.20 01:31:00 -
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Synthetic Cultist wrote:If there is to be a separate module type to disrupt missiles, it should be called a "missile dazzler". Dazzler is used nowadays for some anti-missile devices.
Tracking disruptor to counter guns, Missile dazzler to counter missiles. Yaay.
I support this idea. 1 ewar module to counter all turrets/launchers is overpowered. |
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Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.09.20 01:49:00 -
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Gerrick Palivorn wrote:Missiles have always needed to be looked at and now I feel that they have gotten the love that they deserve.
The TE/TC/TD Bloc has been needed in missile combat for a long time and many nay sayer's don't realize how much this will effect missile combat in general.
The hurricane has also needed to be backhanded like a redheaded stepchild for a very long time and I for one am glad that they are making it apart of the first iteration rather than waiting.
Powerbloc's and alliances will now have to think farther than where's the nearest drake to jump into a fleet with. I for one am very interested to see what the new fleets will be based on. It's good to know that CCP is interested in shaking things up, the stagnation right now is frustrating. I hardly log on anymore because all I see in low/nullsec are the same ships over and over, (not so much anymore, but still annoying that there are so many canes/drakes). I long ago memorized all the popular fittings and gotten used to the more common tactics, this alone has made me apathetic to playing more regularly. This rebalance is a good thing and I know that I will be playing more often when Winter has come.
CCP Fozzie o7!!!
So we should ruin a GREAT ship because YOU are bored? Instead of being proactive let's go backward and turn the bloody Hurricane into an Omen: Stupid.
Gerrick Palivorn wrote: I long ago memorized all the popular fittings and gotten used to the more common tactics, this alone has made me apathetic to playing more regularly.
Hmmm... The problem with your game is you. Not the game. But hey... you "BLLLEEETT" loud enough like all the other sheep the devs will change the sandbox for you. |
Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.10.05 00:01:00 -
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Onictus wrote:
Yeah, with null and couple TCs you may be able lucky shot at 2.5 falloff.... You also understand those guns volley for over 3k in optimal with faction ammo right.
It's a BS turret and a bullshit build, and I'm not convinced its possible even then.
Umm... Fly one.
It works. It really does.
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All you number crunchers need to close your EFT's and locate your EVE launcher. Right now my entire corp is planning to basically abandon everything HML because frankly this nerf will make Drakes/Tengu's pointless.
Sure we'll find occasional use for a Falcon, but really with Turret Destabilizers becoming so versatile for EVERY weapon type the Amarr Curse/Pilgrim are looking better already. Plus THAT recon can actually carry a tank AND do offensive work with Neuts and drones \O/
Horray guys! Caldari will now be COMPLETELY obsolete. Don't worry. Minmatar will be next. CCP Fozzies work on the Hurricane basically kisses the Armor Cane good bye. |
Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2012.10.05 00:06:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:
BTW, a frigate that stay still in front of a gun barrel deserve to die, but they rarely do this and you can easily say that a frigate going under your gun won't ever be hit, going under the gun not being so troublesome when you are used to do it.
But just check the OP, HAM are being buffed severely.
Hmmm... Apparently you're not familiar with the frigate mulcher hurricane. That's ok, though. Because soon that fit won't even be possible on the Cane.
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